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#829 2013-01-08, 20:26
torden
Ursprungligen postat av Dwade
Okej tack för svar! Hur lever du i USA, om man får fråga?


Jag har levt pa bade L1B och H1B vid olika tillfallen. Just nu H1B.

MassRiot, nej Sverige ar inte mer prioriterat an nagot annat land. Den "enklaste" vagen ar nog en universitetsutbildning, anstallning pa ett amerikanskt bolag och sen overflytt med L1. Alt. utbildning i USA, OTP och sen H1.

Vill du jobba dig upp fran postrummet ar din basta chans green card-lotteriet.
#830 2013-01-08, 20:48
Poke53281
Since I'm way better at English than Swedish, I'll answer in English.

No, Swedes, Norwegians or Danes...or Finns for that matter, have any special priority with the American justice system or immigration (other than being really well liked over there, of course), so you can't just get a green card because you're a special Swedish guy and a good Christian and all that jazz...

The law is equal for everyone (at least on paper, and that's what we're talking here - paperwork!).

But there are tons of alternatives, and it's called a visa, you can get everything from temporary work-permits to religious permits or even WIN a greencard at the greencard lottery also known as the diversity program (not all countries apply, but yours does). I'm currently in the draw myself, and there is a 0.4% chance to win it...try for 10 years, and it's a pretty big chance if you compare it to a real lottery...where you could possibly win millions...but only ...maybe 1 or 2 out of 9 million Swedes actually win....the 0.4% is starting to look pretty good, eh?

Read the other threads in here, they explain just about everything you need to know about obtaining a green card.

Short and sweet: Forget about it, and go for the Greencard lottery instead.

Even the Green Card lottery has it's demands, even if you WIN...you'll need to have at least the equivalent of 10 years in school (yes, you need high school exams, and have passed them as well!), if you don't have that...you need at least 2 years of WORK experience in here...work experience in a job that needs at least 2 years of education.

That means...2 years at McDonalds won't qualify you (unless it's a management position you where holding...that again...not anyone straight from the streets could get...no...friends doesn't count, that you mom thinks you're cool doesn't count either).

If you have a SHITLOAD of money ...say....3.5 - 6.5 million SEK (roughly 0.5-1 mill USD), then you can BUY your way into the states, but even that doesn't guarantee you a permanent green card, you must prove yourself an able business man, run a business successfully - employing at least 2-3 Americans for at least 2 years, and then you can apply for an extension if you did well, this could take up to 5 years, and then you'd be in (at least that's what I read somewhere...and I read a lot about this since I want to live there as well) :'(

(I bet the marriage option is starting to sound real good now, eh? Just don't go break some young cuties heart for shit and giggles...)

If you're a superstar, then you could possibly get a Green Card too, but you need to prove that your artistic abilities are widely known and respected (yes - a celebrity of sorts...), doesn't have to be known to every man or woman, but it has to be something of use to USA, something that proves that you'll do well in the States, and NO - again...the fact that MOM thinks you're a STAR doesn't count.

Also...think about this before you hide under a pillow for the rest of your life:

Sweden ain't that bad, bub! We got basically free health care (and believe me, you WILL miss this in the USA as even the smallest accident or virus can end up costing you millions, at least thousands and thousands of dollars), for this reason, American Health Insurance is RIDICULOUSLY expensive. You are maybe young, and inexperienced, thinking that life shines for a kid like you, so what could possibly go wrong? Everything can go wrong! And it usually does.

I was on a small trip to America a few months ago, and I lost my health insurance in the TSA and Airport security, crap...didn't need that anyway, I'm usually quite fine in Sweden for years, rarely ever visit the doctor. Famous last words I can tell you! After two days, I had the most severe blisters on my feet, HUGE BLOOD filled and pus filled blisters, got infected, and I couldn't get medical aid. Since I'm an old experienced rat, I fixed this myself at a Drug store, but it didn't stop there...a little later I was bitten by a brown reclusive (look it up, they're common), and the wounds still haven't healed (now I'm back in Sweden)....and giving some money to a homeless lady, that ended up kissing me as a "thank you note"...didn't make things better, she had some kind of pest disease (big cysts), and could not afford the medical bills...too stupid to know that it could infect me I guess...and guess what...it did! Gotta receive treatment for that weird disease now....BUGGER!!!!#@%&%!@^&

Still...dreaming of USA though, but I'm just telling ya, things aren't as green as they may seem now that you are lonely in that little existence of yours in Sweden, thinking USA is one big party.

I got a job here in Sweden, that was lucky. In USA it's not as easy as over here (yes, I wrote - EASY), because ever since I came to Sweden, I've already had 2 jobs in just 2 years. I was checking out various places in USA, and there you need a DEGREE ON PAPER if you want to make it, a smile and saying - I can prove that I'm good - just doesn't cut it over there. They'll want to know if you've been to an accredited college or something, and much more.

But if you want to start your own, I bet America is a HOOT in comparison to Sweden though.

Just sayin....
#831 2013-01-09, 00:18
Skumtaren
Ursprungligen postat av Poke53281
Since I'm way better at English than Swedish, I'll answer in English.

No, Swedes, Norwegians or Danes...or Finns for that matter, have any special priority with the American justice system or immigration (other than being really well liked over there, of course), so you can't just get a green card because you're a special Swedish guy and a good Christian and all that jazz...

The law is equal for everyone (at least on paper, and that's what we're talking here - paperwork!).

But there are tons of alternatives, and it's called a visa, you can get everything from temporary work-permits to religious permits or even WIN a greencard at the greencard lottery also known as the diversity program (not all countries apply, but yours does). I'm currently in the draw myself, and there is a 0.4% chance to win it...try for 10 years, and it's a pretty big chance if you compare it to a real lottery...where you could possibly win millions...but only ...maybe 1 or 2 out of 9 million Swedes actually win....the 0.4% is starting to look pretty good, eh?

Read the other threads in here, they explain just about everything you need to know about obtaining a green card.

Short and sweet: Forget about it, and go for the Greencard lottery instead.

Even the Green Card lottery has it's demands, even if you WIN...you'll need to have at least the equivalent of 10 years in school (yes, you need high school exams, and have passed them as well!), if you don't have that...you need at least 2 years of WORK experience in here...work experience in a job that needs at least 2 years of education.

That means...2 years at McDonalds won't qualify you (unless it's a management position you where holding...that again...not anyone straight from the streets could get...no...friends doesn't count, that you mom thinks you're cool doesn't count either).

If you have a SHITLOAD of money ...say....3.5 - 6.5 million SEK (roughly 0.5-1 mill USD), then you can BUY your way into the states, but even that doesn't guarantee you a permanent green card, you must prove yourself an able business man, run a business successfully - employing at least 2-3 Americans for at least 2 years, and then you can apply for an extension if you did well, this could take up to 5 years, and then you'd be in (at least that's what I read somewhere...and I read a lot about this since I want to live there as well) :'(

(I bet the marriage option is starting to sound real good now, eh? Just don't go break some young cuties heart for shit and giggles...)

If you're a superstar, then you could possibly get a Green Card too, but you need to prove that your artistic abilities are widely known and respected (yes - a celebrity of sorts...), doesn't have to be known to every man or woman, but it has to be something of use to USA, something that proves that you'll do well in the States, and NO - again...the fact that MOM thinks you're a STAR doesn't count.

Also...think about this before you hide under a pillow for the rest of your life:

Sweden ain't that bad, bub! We got basically free health care (and believe me, you WILL miss this in the USA as even the smallest accident or virus can end up costing you millions, at least thousands and thousands of dollars), for this reason, American Health Insurance is RIDICULOUSLY expensive. You are maybe young, and inexperienced, thinking that life shines for a kid like you, so what could possibly go wrong? Everything can go wrong! And it usually does.

I was on a small trip to America a few months ago, and I lost my health insurance in the TSA and Airport security, crap...didn't need that anyway, I'm usually quite fine in Sweden for years, rarely ever visit the doctor. Famous last words I can tell you! After two days, I had the most severe blisters on my feet, HUGE BLOOD filled and pus filled blisters, got infected, and I couldn't get medical aid. Since I'm an old experienced rat, I fixed this myself at a Drug store, but it didn't stop there...a little later I was bitten by a brown reclusive (look it up, they're common), and the wounds still haven't healed (now I'm back in Sweden)....and giving some money to a homeless lady, that ended up kissing me as a "thank you note"...didn't make things better, she had some kind of pest disease (big cysts), and could not afford the medical bills...too stupid to know that it could infect me I guess...and guess what...it did! Gotta receive treatment for that weird disease now....BUGGER!!!!#@%&%!@^&

Still...dreaming of USA though, but I'm just telling ya, things aren't as green as they may seem now that you are lonely in that little existence of yours in Sweden, thinking USA is one big party.

I got a job here in Sweden, that was lucky. In USA it's not as easy as over here (yes, I wrote - EASY), because ever since I came to Sweden, I've already had 2 jobs in just 2 years. I was checking out various places in USA, and there you need a DEGREE ON PAPER if you want to make it, a smile and saying - I can prove that I'm good - just doesn't cut it over there. They'll want to know if you've been to an accredited college or something, and much more.

But if you want to start your own, I bet America is a HOOT in comparison to Sweden though.

Just sayin....



hehe de du sa om health care stämmer...
jag funderar flytta dit illegalt såfort jag sparat ihopp lite pengar och de största ja oroar mig för e ju att det inte är gartis vård dära... speciellt om man är dära illegalt hehe.

så kan vara smart och göra typ nån hälso kontrol eller undersökning vad de än kallas innan man åker dit så man inte får dyra hälso problem dära som kunde tats hand om i sverige innan man åkte iväg.

och även om de är frisk i den kontrollen så kan shit happen ändå ju men mycket av dom vanligaste hälso problem som kan dyka upp tar ju en sån kontroll hand om innan dom problemen händer... typ som att se in i framtiden hehe
#832 2013-01-09, 18:08
MassRiot
Poke53281: Tack för ditt svar! Det där du skrev om att Sverige inte är så dåligt är ju sant, men det känns som en låtsasvärld långt ifrån den riktiga(USA).. Jag har massor av vänner och jobb på g här i Sverige men det känns fel och jag måste bo i USA, tyvärr.

Sjukvården är bissart dyr, I am aware! Alla mina kusiner har haft tandställning och det ska ha kostat runt 40.000 per person, all in all!

Plugga skulle jag kunna göra, något businessinriktat men om man inte går på Handelshögskolan i Sthlm, vad är det då som gör mig behövd i USA? Vill man komma in den vägen bör man väl plugga till raketforskare.

Lotteriet är för liten chans, och jag har inte 10 år, kan uthärda 3-4 år till här, vill dit när jag är ung.

Får väl ringa en amerikansk jurist och få lite kött på benen.

Åter igen, tack för ditt svar!
#833 2013-01-09, 21:21
TexasSwede
Ursprungligen postat av MassRiot

Plugga skulle jag kunna göra, något businessinriktat men om man inte går på Handelshögskolan i Sthlm, vad är det då som gör mig behövd i USA? Vill man komma in den vägen bör man väl plugga till raketforskare.


Jag skulle tänka mig att IT-relaterat fortfarande går bra. Du behöver inte bli programmerare (även om det vore ett bra alternativ), du kan fokusera på business process-delen och projektledning, kanske?
#834 2013-01-09, 23:07
MassRiot
Ursprungligen postat av TexasSwede
Jag skulle tänka mig att IT-relaterat fortfarande går bra. Du behöver inte bli programmerare (även om det vore ett bra alternativ), du kan fokusera på business process-delen och projektledning, kanske?


Ja, kanske.. Är oerhört ointresserad av IT rent allmänt, tyvärr. Men visst, som du säger så finns det väl många grenar inom den branschen.

Egentligen en skam att man inte pluggar i 5-10 år i Sverige som är ett land där man inte bara har gratis utbildning utan kan få betalt i bidrag för det! Många människor i världen som inte förstår vad man menar när man säger att det i Sverige är gratis att utbilda sig till hjärnkirurg.
#835 2013-01-11, 05:11
Poke53281
Ursprungligen postat av MassRiot
Ja, kanske.. Är oerhört ointresserad av IT rent allmänt, tyvärr. Men visst, som du säger så finns det väl många grenar inom den branschen.

Egentligen en skam att man inte pluggar i 5-10 år i Sverige som är ett land där man inte bara har gratis utbildning utan kan få betalt i bidrag för det! Många människor i världen som inte förstår vad man menar när man säger att det i Sverige är gratis att utbilda sig till hjärnkirurg.


Actually, that's not a bad idea. You COULD get a real good education and get in that way, but you must be REALLY good at what you do, and specialize.

Small towns in USA are the same way as small towns in Sweden, they *DESPERATELY* need qualified workers, this is basically due to the same "big town syndrome" that we have in Sweden, every well educated youngster wants to move where the life is, the big town, the big lights, the bars, the nightlife etc...

believe me, it's way overrated, I've lived in the big cities of Scandinavia, and while not as big as in the states, you get tired of all the drug pushers standing on every corner, the macho gang-members that can't wait for an excuse to beat the crap outta ya, the nightly sirens every 5 FREAKING minute, the lady upstairs that is on welfare disability income and have made YOU her hobby for the next century or so and listens to every footstep you make, the downstairs man that smokes 200 cigarettes every night...oh and I could go on like a Duracell bunny...

The little town I live in now in Sweden, is a paradise for sure (If it wasn't for the weather and the fact that my coworkers have absolutely NO sense of humor), everyone is so nice around here, friendly and local, and you can basically get everything you could in the big city.

So I chose a small city in America too, why? Same reason, they DO need specialized workers with qualifications the city just can't get for the same reasons in Sweden. But our attraction is USA, their attraction is the bigger cities, so they move away, but we move in - and guess what? You'll be more welcome there than you could imagine.

When I visited the little town, they where in need of: IT-staff, Direct-TV installers, Broadband installers (sounds fancy, but there's a lot of digging and hard labor involved), IT-stores and service facilities and both preschool and high-school teachers and tutors. Substitute teachers are also desperately needed (that's how I got my first job in Sweden, same story everywhere, every small town needs outsiders here....fresh blood, fresh knowledge).

You have to understand though, an American small city or town aren't the same thing as in Sweden, far from it. Albeit I live in a town here in Sweden with around 10.000 inhabitants, there's like 10 places where you could eat out.

In the "similar" 10K town I visited in the States - they had like 200 places where I could eat out, how's that for a difference, eh?

Americans are way more used to order out, and they are constantly in need of some services. So go for a small town, make sure you VISIT it plenty of times first, plan ahead - BOND with people (that's what I do) and it works. Make yourself wanted.

Good luck.
#836 2013-01-18, 11:39
Minau
Hur skulle man gå tillväga och hur svårt är det att få stanna permanent i USA om man vill bo där men inte behöver/ska jobba? Dvs man har såpass gott med pengar (och kan bevisa det) att man bara vill leva där. Gör det någon skillnad gentemot om man leva OCH arbeta rent där rent tids/utförandemässigt och vad kan man söka/göra för att få bosätta sig där permanent?

Om jag förstått det hela rätt så kan jag stanna 3 månader utan problem (sätta mig på planet imorgon), men måste åka hem efter 90 dagar, så om man inte behöver jobba där gör det näågon skillnad ?
#837 2013-01-18, 13:11
CCobalt
När det gäller permanent uppehållstillstånd spelar ekonomiska tillgångar i princip ingen roll. Även om man skulle klara sig ekonomiskt hela livet utan att behöva arbeta får man inte uppehållstillstånd endast av den orsaken. Visserligen skulle det generera inkomster för landet, men situationen skulle lätt bli okontrollerbar. Det finns ett visum (E-2) avsett för de som investerar ekonomiskt i ett företag och som på så vis kan skapa arbetstillfällen. Minimisumman man måste investera är inte exakt, men många källor pekar på mellan $200k och $500k. Dessutom är E-2 ett s.k. ”non immigrant visa”, vilket gör att man inte automatiskt får permanent uppehållstillstånd.

Med VWP kan du stanna i upp till 90 dagar. Ett av kraven för att bli insläppt är att man har tillräckliga ekonomiska medel för att klara sig under vistelsen (även om detta sällan kontrolleras). Att arbeta på VWP är inte tillåtet.
#838 2013-01-18, 14:55
MassRiot
CCobalt: Visa från investering är 1 miljon dollar och 5 anställda, om man startar företaget i ett socialt utsatt område, säg South Central, så räcker det med 500.000 dollar.
#839 2013-01-21, 05:08
Milizer
Det är ju trist att så många amerikaner har fått lämna sina hem i finanskrisens spår. Samtidigt öppnar ju detta möjligheter på bostadsmarknaden. Jag bor själv i ett obelånat råtthål här i Sverige som jag kan sälja för typ 3 miljoner. Och för det så får jag till exempel en villa med pool i alltid soliga San Diego. Eftersom jag jobbar via internet och det spelar ingen roll var jag bor, så ja, varför inte?

Eller mer allmänt, varför inte passa på att flytta till USA nu när husen är så billiga där just nu?
#840 2013-01-21, 05:17
raeksmoergosen
Jag tror(!) att äga ett hus där inte borde vara några problem.. Men du kommer inte få bo där utan visum, så äger du ett hus kommer du fortfarande bara få vara där i om jag inte missminner mig max 3mån i sträck